Peggy's New Love: Crossfit

Summary

In this episode of the Ginger on Chocolate podcast, Lindsay and Mike engage in a candid conversation with returning guest Peggy about personal experiences with mental health, the impact of mental illness on relationships, and the stigma surrounding these issues. They discuss the transition from triathlon to CrossFit, the importance of physical health in maintaining mental well-being, and the challenges faced by military personnel regarding mental health. The episode concludes with plans for a relay race and reflections on aging and strength training.

Takeaways

• Mental health awareness is crucial for understanding personal struggles.
• The ripple effect of mental illness can impact families and friends.
• Stigma around mental health can prevent people from seeking help.
• Exercise plays a significant role in mental health maintenance.
• Transitioning from one sport to another can rejuvenate one's passion for fitness.
• Strength training is essential for aging individuals to maintain health.
• Community support in fitness can enhance motivation and accountability.
• Understanding the pharmaceutical industry can help demystify its role in mental health treatment.
• Personal stories can shed light on broader societal issues regarding mental health.
• Planning for future fitness goals can foster a sense of purpose.

Titles

• The Importance of Community in Fitness
• Future Fitness Goals: Planning a Relay Race

Keywords

mental health, triathlon, CrossFit, personal stories, stigma, military, aging, physical health, relationships, awareness

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Personal Insights

03:11
Mental Health Conversations

09:20
Understanding Mental Illness

15:08
Military Perspectives on Mental Health

21:08
Physical Fitness and Mental Health

30:11
Transitioning from Triathlon to CrossFit

39:16
Future Plans and Reflections

48:19
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Transcript

Lindsay (00:02.438)
Welcome to the Ginger on Chocolate podcast. I'm your co -host, Lindsay, along with Mike. How's it going, Mike?

Mike (00:10.67)
Going well, how are you, Lindsay?

Lindsay (00:12.624)
I'm doing pretty good. Okay. Per our usual opening, tell me something about yourself that others may not know.

Mike (00:22.098)
I started out as a cat person, cats were my first animal and yeah, I had those way before I had dogs and so, yeah. And then I, then I got a dog eventually growing up and I was like, you know, I think I'm like both of these animals, but in general, I'm, I really love animals.

Lindsay (00:36.806)
You

Lindsay (00:42.098)
Awesome. And do you have cats now or just dogs?

Mike (00:45.28)
No, no, because that... we have dogs and dogs like to eat things that cats drop and that's disgusting so we don't have cats.

Lindsay (00:57.229)
100%. I am a both person myself, but I'm a dog person. And then we've got feral cats that live around us and I like to feed them a little bit. And they use my big flower box that I haven't put anything in in a long time. I haven't planted anything. That's their little kitty litter box. I have to clean it out. And then sometimes our dogs jump up there and are like, mmm.

Mike (01:06.443)
Mm

Mike (01:16.236)
Uuuhhh

Mike (01:22.978)
I just felt the pre -vomit like water in my throat right there. Thinking of that. Yeah.

Lindsay (01:25.97)
It's so freaking disgusting.

Lindsay (01:36.035)
And what our dog subsequently does on our floor in the house after they've. Anyhow, that's enough of that. We have a returning guest, Peggy. Peggy, do I say your last name, Nydig or Nydig or? Okay, good. Good, okay. Awesome. Peggy, tell us something about yourself that others may not know.

Mike (01:40.45)
Yes.

Peggy (01:49.733)
I do. You do good. Yeah.

Peggy (01:58.795)
Hmm, that's a great question. I, at the age of 12, went out on a boat with Jacques Cousteau.

Mike (02:10.959)
Whoa.

Lindsay (02:11.408)
Whoa, what the fuck?

Peggy (02:12.841)
and his son, Jean -Michel.

Mike (02:15.543)
Wow.

Lindsay (02:16.336)
That's friggin awesome.

Peggy (02:17.867)
Pretty cool.

Mike (02:21.496)
That is pretty awesome.

Peggy (02:22.411)
I was an aspiring marine biologist and we lived in New Zealand and they just happened to be there. It was a friend of a friend of a friend. I know. It was pretty cool.

Lindsay (02:26.498)
Geez Louise. Okay. I mean, that's pretty freaking fancy.

Yeah, super fancy. Gosh. Well.

Peggy (02:37.435)
Nothing is cool as dogs do it. Or my dog. No coda. That's my dog. We have one dog. He's barking at the deer out front. And he eats deer poop if that makes you feel better.

Lindsay (02:51.471)
aww.

Mike (02:52.034)
Nice.

Lindsay (02:54.897)
there.

Lindsay (02:59.574)
Nope.

Mike (03:03.67)
I can stomach that, that's fine. I can stomach hearing that.

Peggy (03:05.533)
my god...

Lindsay (03:07.334)
don't know what it looks like, so maybe I could, but I'm good. I don't need to know.

Mike (03:13.142)
Welcome back to Animal Shit Talk with Mike and Lindsay.

Lindsay (03:19.516)
So Peggy, we've talked a little bit on our show recently. One of the reasons we rebooted the podcast is we have a dear friend who's really battling their mental illness. it's been, I think, emotional for all of us and just moved myself and Mike to restart the show so we could talk about.

bring the conversation back about mental illness and all of the things that we can do for good mental hygiene. But you know that same friend, you're friends with the same friend. And so I kind of wanted to check in with you and see how you're feeling and what your thoughts are about the situation.

Peggy (04:11.369)
Well, I will say that friend who was, just, someone said something about Woodside. I'm like, you know, I'm, the three of us used to ride in Woodside, you know, it just, those little sparks of memories. I think this entire experience has opened my eyes to, I've always understood mental illness. mean, my, you know, we have family members who deal with alcoholism or.

or drug abuse, and that's a form of mental illness or treating mental illness, right? But I never really put together that someone could have their entire life totally fine, beautiful family, everything in the bag, and then just blow up one day. Or there's a slow degrade that nobody picks up on until it's in your face.

Mike (04:59.128)
Mm -hmm.

Peggy (05:07.911)
And I think that's what happened to our friend. And then how much it affects, it's like a ripple effect, it destroyed her family, her parents, and then her friends, right? And how, and even when in the very beginning, when everybody was like, hmm, what's going on there? People turn their back a little bit, right? It was the teen stuff, people were like, she's just being mean.

Mike (05:24.536)
Yeah.

Peggy (05:37.983)
But it was such a disconnect of who she was. And it just didn't make sense. And I had moved. I live in the great state of Texas. And we're great about mental health here. Just kidding.

Lindsay (05:52.804)
Is that true? I was going to say, wow, I had not heard that before.

Peggy (05:57.131)
come back, you're better. Kidding, that's not all one, all people. But it opened my eyes and it's been just slow to grade. Something that you and I have just connected on, which is sad because we have so many other things to do. But it has changed my perspective on who I see on the street 100%. They have family members, they have.

Mike (06:23.297)
Mm

Peggy (06:26.761)
you know, a whole connection to a world that they've walked away from. And it's really hard, you know? So I'm still holding out hope now that she's in a place that she can at least, you know, medication can get back. And I work in the pharmaceutical industry, right? We're the bad guys, but sometimes we can actually be pretty decent and have treatments for people to keep them off the streets.

Yeah.

Mike (06:58.84)
Wow.

Lindsay (06:59.1)
personally familiar with three of those treatments myself.

Mike (07:04.599)
I don't know. I wouldn't say the pharmaceutical. I think they get a bad rap, but, lot to be said there. We could spend a whole episode talking about that, but I'm grateful that there is a pharmaceutical industry or else my mood would not be regulated because I rely on, prescription drugs to regulate my mood. So

Yeah, it's, and it's sad. It's sad when you see people, I worked for a year. I did an internship with the city of San Francisco with their homeless outreach team and saw many forms of mental illness on the street. And before then it was just kind of a passing thing that I could ignore when I got on the train or just kind of pretend I see. But then I was spending hours with people, you know, talking to them, learning their story and

Peggy (07:48.071)
annoyance.

Mike (07:53.416)
And it brings a whole different element to it, especially then when you know someone personally who is doing well, and then they, like you said, their mental health declines and you see that it's hard.

Peggy (08:07.573)
You know, she had mentioned that she had suffered with depression, but I think she was medicated and she was working on herself and she'd always talked about it. And in our weird sense, and you both know this because you both know this person, she would blog on about mental illness, right? So it was her theme. She was a champion. But as she peeled away from

Mike (08:29.633)
Mm

Peggy (08:38.245)
reality that still was her voice and she still blogged about it. So then people were super confused of, know what I'm saying?

Lindsay (08:48.53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Peggy (08:50.143)
There's a level of, what do you call it? Just reading her blog, was like, you know what, maybe she's championing herself. No, no, no, no, like, wait a minute, she just catched out her whole 401k and is on the street. Maybe that's not what she was doing. So it's kind of a, you don't know.

Mike (09:08.15)
Yeah.

Lindsay (09:10.43)
I think that people, there's just not enough education around it. There's always, you know, it's so much better than it used to be, but there's a stigma around mental health issues. so people are confused, like when you see someone who is completely the opposite of how they have been all this time that you've known them and they're making life choices that are very drastic.

Peggy (09:36.555)
Mm

Lindsay (09:40.363)
and sort of permanent to a certain degree and doing things that are also at the same time like counter to that like blogging about mental health.

Mike (09:44.888)
Yeah.

Peggy (09:46.917)
You know, it's funny. So, Mike, you're former military.

Mike (09:52.994)
Mm -hmm.

Peggy (09:54.123)
My husband's former military. We just spent the weekend with friends that we haven't seen since we were all in the range of battalion. I was in the range of battalion, married to one. And we were talking about disability and everybody's getting disability in 100%, 80%. And there is a mental health aspect when, you know, they were coming back from Afghanistan and there was a questionnaire and my husband's like.

Nope, nope, nope, nope. Because back then there was such a stigma because when he was in the range of Italian, he was in special forces and they would come back and they'd get this questionnaire and they would never admit to stress, anxiety.

Mike (10:34.595)
Mm

Mike (10:38.146)
Yeah.

Peggy (10:42.205)
anything that could possibly.

get them down the road, right? Or, or implicate them mentally or have incapacitated. So, it's just now even in the military that they're recognizing how, I mean, our suicide rate is off the charts in the military, which is something that I tend to champion a little bit, and work for.

Mike (10:49.25)
Yeah, consequences.

Mike (11:08.214)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Peggy (11:18.131)
And I think just, I mean, you look at what our soldiers have come back and had to deal with, and then you talk about just the average Joe. I mean, it's just, it's rampant. And it's sad, you know?

Mike (11:29.25)
Yeah. Yeah, it is.

It is and like to put my perspective on the questionnaire when you get back from a deployment is so what happens for people who haven't seen this before is you get back from a deployment you get in a questionnaire that says you know did you see dead bodies did you see people you know killed did you see violence and is does this bother you are you bothered still do you have thoughts of hurting yourself or someone else and

We all know that if we check yes to one of those, we're going to have to go talk to somebody, which means then I can't see my family right away, probably. And I can't drink beer with all my friends and hang out. And so everyone's checking, no, I'm totally fine. And the reality is, yeah, that your career would be affected in the military. If at least back then, at least back then.

if you said, yeah, something's going on because then you become a liability and you're not an asset anymore. And so everything in the military is geared towards, are you an asset or a liability or are you going to enhance or take away from the mission? And so that's why in that context, people are saying no, no matter what, until it gets to the breaking point.

Peggy (12:45.929)
Yeah, that's the stupidest. I'm like, who thought of those questions? I think it's a great idea. You know what? I hope I get Walmart to see a bunch of dead people. That'd be awesome. Yeah, the cut. Yeah, I think it's changed over the years. That whole that was our conversation this weekend about just friends of theirs who who have struggled and they have struggled and and then we've got on this side, people have

Mike (12:50.626)
Yeah.

Mike (12:55.596)
Right, right, exactly.

Lindsay (12:56.149)
Right, Exactly.

Peggy (13:14.059)
probably have different traumas or micro traumas growing up, right? So I don't want to, you know, someone gets in a car accident, that's traumatic. Like you don't poo poo it, you know? So I'm...

Mike (13:16.298)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Mike (13:25.483)
Mm

Lindsay (13:27.964)
Well, I think the one difference between military and your average Joe who is suffering trauma for whatever, I mean, it could be a million different reasons, child abuse, you know, whatever, is that people perceive that there was a choice to go into the military and that you must have done it because you felt that you could withstand whatever they were going to throw at you and

That's not going to be true because how would you know exactly until you are there? First of all, you know, but I think there's a perception that he would just be tough. I think now people not that they're not, but you know what I mean? That it's like, well, but you know, there's other jobs that have the same problem. So if you are an airline pilot, if you admit that you are

Mike (14:02.346)
yeah.

Mike (14:14.501)
Yeah.

Lindsay (14:24.442)
depressed and you take antidepressants, they're going to ground you. So then you have pilots who are like, no, I'm good. And I don't want, I would rather my pilot be like, no, have, I'm, you know, I'm on antidepressants and have them check in and kind of confirm that the things are being taken. Then I have my pilot be like, nope, all good, you know, until we're plummeting to the earth because they were untreated or something. You know, this is, that's not really.

Beneficial, it has not proved beneficial ever.

Mike (14:55.298)
Mm

Peggy (14:56.029)
You know, other day I was watching the news and the guy was landing and he was like, yeah, my copilot just jumped out of the airplane.

They're like, what did you say? He goes, my co -pilot just jumped out of the back of the airplane. Did you not see that?

Mike (15:14.646)
Wow. Missed that one.

Lindsay (15:16.306)
girl.

Peggy (15:16.309)
I was like...

to your point.

Lindsay (15:19.292)
he asked. He asked them. Did you not see that he asked the or were you asking us?

Peggy (15:22.759)
No, I'm literally that that was the the news story. Lester Holt.

Lindsay (15:27.184)
No, I didn't and I don't need to see it because I'm not a I'm a nervous flyer already. And if I think a co -pilot can just open a door and get out, I'm going to be I'm going to be grounded. Because I'm already like.

Peggy (15:44.189)
You gotta find the film because it's kind of like, I'm like, the tower's like, can you repeat that? He's like, my co -pilot just jumped out of the airplane. It's like, ugh.

Mike (15:57.88)
Say what now?

Lindsay (15:58.182)
God, see this is untreated.

Mike (16:02.946)
Yeah.

Lindsay (16:04.208)
You know, mental health.

Peggy (16:04.726)
Wait, airline pilots probably should be on Prozac.

Mike (16:08.845)
Well...

Lindsay (16:09.278)
Right. mean, you're not jumping out of something. It's just like that the guy they had to put. Well, he said he was on acid, but that the guy that they had to wrestle to the ground, maybe last year at some point, that pilot who was just getting a ride back from wherever he had been working and then he tried to take over the plane and crash it. And the pilot and the copilot wrestled him.

you know, because he was sitting in some jump seat, like in the cockpit and they had to wrestle him, you know, to the ground. And I don't know, subdue him somehow for the rest of the flight. But he just, you know, obviously went to jail for like two hundred and thirty seven accounts of, you know, attempted murder or whatever. But he he says, well, I was on acid. And then it was like, well, I've had some mental health things. Well, and then, you know, he just need to be treated.

Mike (17:05.506)
Yeah. Well, one thing that's a great protective factor against, symptomology for mental illness, not a cure, but a great protective factor is exercise and endurance sports, lifting, any kind of physical exercise and, yeah, an outlet, you know, something that helps regulate me, for sure, because I know the difference between

Lindsay (17:06.322)
probably, but.

Peggy (17:24.393)
and outlook.

Mike (17:33.57)
when I was in probably peak physical form and then the pandemic happened and lot of things got canceled and I chose to be stagnant after a while and how my, I'd say depression kind of increased mental health declined. And then now I'd say the last, I don't know, year of jumping back really into physical exercise and a regulated routine, just how much better I'm doing.

Peggy (18:03.901)
I mean, not that I'm stalking you, Mike, but I gotta say, you're looking pretty strong out

Mike (18:12.27)
Thanks. Yeah.

Peggy (18:13.355)
And then there's Lindsay on our mountain bike in Tahoe. Give me a mountain bike envy. Which I told my husband, like, I don't want to jump a log or anything, but I'll do some single track stuff. You know what I mean? Like I don't do downhill. don't like, I got, I got to protect what's left for the next 50 years. Like, do you know what mean? I white teeth. I got my shoulder blades intact. My skin is still on my face.

Mike (18:16.524)
She's crushing it.

Mike (18:22.48)
yeah.

Lindsay (18:22.609)
Ugh.

Mike (18:27.34)
Yeah.

Mike (18:33.731)
Yeah.

Peggy (18:43.339)
So once I sell the old tri bike, I might dabble in a mountain.

Lindsay (18:51.014)
Or gravel. I'm riding gravel. riding gravel. I have a mountain bike and I loved it. But when I got my gravel bike, I fell in love. It's a little easier to climb on maneuver on. Now, ripping downhill on single track, there are people who do it, but it's not as easy as say a mountain bike because you're not, there's no shocks. So you're, you know, it's jiggly, but I can go down a fire road.

Mike (18:51.246)
nice.

Peggy (18:52.372)
or a grab.

Mike (19:02.717)
yeah, yeah.

Peggy (19:16.5)
Yeah.

Lindsay (19:19.346)
pretty quickly you just have to learn a different way of riding and I have found it to be so fun because you can ride on the pavement to where you want to get on the gravel and then get on the gravel. Riding a mountain bike on the pavement is going to take you 500 ,000 hours to get to where you want to get on them. But it is pretty highly recommend 10 out of 10.

Peggy (19:40.326)
Yeah, Big Daddy loves a good mountain bike too, so I think that's something we can do together. We try to, you know, do stuff together. Maybe that's a 20 -second ride situation.

Mike (19:44.972)
Yeah.

Lindsay (19:48.774)
Big daddy's… big daddy's her husband by the way.

Mike (19:51.938)
Yeah.

Peggy (19:53.867)
42 years of marriage. That's all he gets is a big daddy.

Mike (19:56.355)
Yeah.

I assume.

Lindsay (20:03.567)
Ha ha ha

Mike (20:03.7)
Big Daddy, I like it. That's perfect.

Lindsay (20:07.132)
So let me ask you this. So Peggy, last time you were on the show, we talked about falling out of love with Triathlon. And I know that you've, as of now, you broke up with Triathlon and you have a new date and someone new. So tell us a little bit about that.

Peggy (20:24.875)
So about, yeah, like I fell out of love with triathlon. I think I was burnt out. I just had gone through that whole cancer thing and that takes a toll on your body. it's hard to go from a two to a 10 in a matter of a couple months, right? Your body is just like, we're out. So that was mentally frustrating. would think mentally I was just like really kind of mourning the loss. Part of it was.

Mike (20:38.146)
Mm -hmm.

Peggy (20:54.291)
or who I used to be. And that happens with age too, right? Like I just, you kind of look like, everything hurts and I don't fit that the same way used to fit it. And then physically. So I was frustrated and I was at that last race. And I was like, this is not fun anymore. I'm not feeling it. standing at the end of the water, edge of the water. I was like, what am I doing right now? Instead of wanting to kill someone, I was like, I'm gonna go.

Mike (20:56.077)
Yeah.

Mike (21:16.173)
Mm -hmm.

Peggy (21:23.678)
I want to some coffee and a cinnamon bud. A really warm one. And then I'd always been interested, my daughter was a college athlete, soccer division one, and they always power lifted and she was super strong. I always had wanted to get into kind of an Olympic lifting, kind of learning how to lift properly. I've always done weights and maintenance and worked as a personal trainer in a gym the whole bit, but not really understood.

classic lifting. And so, a friend of a friend, there's a CrossFit gym and I live, I live kind of out, I'm like 45 minutes outside of Austin at Lake Travis. So you're kind of away from stuff. I'm pretty far away from stuff and there's a CrossFit gym five minutes from my door, which is always a motivator. And yeah, I kind of went to it and

Mike (22:16.927)
Ooh, okay.

Peggy (22:23.243)
I really enjoyed it. Found a really cool group of folks. They were like, the 6 a class is really serious and they're not very nice to new people and they're super committed. I'm like, perfect for me. I don't want to, you know. So I show it, yeah, and I just love it.

Mike (22:41.578)
Yeah.

Peggy (22:49.419)
So about a beyond a year, so much stronger than I used to be. Even I think as a triathlete, I'm just different strong. And I just kind of enjoy not knowing anything and learning. Whereas in triathlon, like I've always swam, was like coach swimming. 15 years of coaching triathlon, there's not a lot. mean, you're always kind of learning, but.

Mike (23:10.606)
Mm

Peggy (23:18.751)
for yourself. So just being new and just every day something new. And yeah, I've enjoyed it. And I found a good little group of people. Six AM people, I'm one of them.

Lindsay (23:32.402)
Is it the 6 a people?

Ha ha.

Mike (23:36.684)
Yes, I love that. You know what I really love about CrossFit is I did it for a while and my favorite thing besides I love it. It is what I call my favorite cult because everyone who joins CrossFit will be like, well, before I found CrossFit, I was, you know, not doing well. And then I accepted CrossFit into my heart as my savior. And yeah, it is.

Peggy (23:40.136)
that.

Peggy (24:01.323)
It's like triathlon. What about CrossFit? Let's talk about CrossFit. my God, what'd you do in the Ironman? What was your cup? What was your cup? My T1 could totally be faster than my T2, you know? It's just a, this cross, this is what I love about this CrossFit group. I mean, there are people who can walk on their hands and hang like a monkey and do all that stuff. And then there's the other folk, you know, and.

Mike (24:08.11)
Exactly.

Mike (24:14.036)
yeah, yeah.

Peggy (24:28.223)
I set a goal for myself this year to do a pull -up, just unassisted, and I have accomplished that goal. I can do a pull -up. So that's kind of, I've got little mini things that I wanna do, you know, but I used to be able to walk on my hands, because I dove in college, so was a diver, so the hand -walking thing, I got back, but there is a gymnastic side to it, you know, so.

Mike (24:35.138)
Yes.

Mike (24:40.813)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (24:53.306)
yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay (24:53.791)
that's interesting. a couple things.

Peggy (24:57.159)
I kind of dig that.

Peggy (25:01.534)
Enjoyed it.

Lindsay (25:03.024)
Let me think. I was going to ask you a question just now, and it left my mind. But Mike, you were saying something about being your favorite cult, but you don't do it now, do you?

Mike (25:13.014)
No, I might dip back into it after October. I think, yeah, after, after the Kona race, I might dip back into CrossFit just because I love the variation of it. And that's one of the premises of it is always doing some kind of variation to confuse your muscles. And so you don't plateau as much. And what I loved about it was,

It had aspects that I missed from the military, which was the camaraderie, the hard work and camaraderie, shared suffering, but fun and everyone's cheering each other on. So there's a competition, but it's a group feel to it. And so it was one of the most positive communities I could think of outside of, you know, like a church community.

but you got to work out too. So in my mind, it was best.

Lindsay (26:08.208)
Yeah. Okay. I thought of the question, Peggy. When you're doing your pull -up, you're from a dead, just hanging, right? Okay. Cause something I see that I have no experience in, but I feel like isn't correct form is when people swing their body and then pull up. Is that what, what is that?

Peggy (26:11.562)
What was that?

Mike (26:28.14)
they do the kipping? Yeah. Yeah.

Peggy (26:29.375)
Okay.

So there's two pull -ups in CrossFit, Mike knows this. There's the strict, where you're just doing it from like, you can't kip, you gotta pull straight up. And that's the one I really worked on. The kip is where it looks like they're doing butterflies on the bar, which is called a butterfly hole. They're just like floating. This is what they look like on the bar. So there's two different types of pull -ups. I will say that

Mike (26:54.806)
Yeah, flopping around.

Lindsay (26:55.964)
okay.

Peggy (27:01.599)
The butterfly one, I can do a couple, but as an ex or a swimmer person pushing the double fives here in a couple months, not so great on my biceps and my shoulders. So I try to, if we're gonna do a lot, I'll pull the band back out, but just the strict look. Cause I just wanna be like, how strong am I?

Mike (27:19.096)
Hmm.

Mike (27:26.179)
Yeah.

Mike (27:29.794)
Yeah, yeah.

Peggy (27:30.527)
Dead weight pulling up your weight, that's strength. The butterfly is more of like a gymnastics, you'll see gymnast's kip onto a bar. It's like a big old kip. then they, yeah, there's, I mean, my professional marine here can do a lot of pull -ups. My husband can, for hours, do pull -ups. shit. He just hops on that thing and just,

Lindsay (27:42.61)
Well, that's good to know.

Mike (27:42.818)
Yeah.

Mike (27:53.944)
Big Daddy just pulling on that bar all day long, just getting it. I love it.

Lindsay (27:55.67)
Ha ha ha.

Peggy (28:00.811)
I mean, it doesn't matter. He could be away for 100 years but comes back. Here's a little fun story. So two days after my second child, who's 25, so this is 25 years ago, my husband did the best Ranger competition. So he was like that guy. He still is on the cover of special operations workouts. Anyway, because he's hot.

Mike (28:19.64)
Ooh.

Peggy (28:29.909)
So we went back this year to see Best Ranger. And if you don't know what Best Ranger is, if you have never, you should Google it. It takes an Iron Man in CrossFit, has a baby, then you throw in blowing stuff up, shooting things, taking in military stuff. Then, I don't know, what else?

rope courses, like land nap, a marathon. It's a three day competition. And it's a big deal. You have to have a Ranger tab. So you have to have been to Ranger school, but you don't have to serve in a unit, but you have to have one to do this competition. So about 80 teams start out and it's a two man team. And then I think this last one, 28 or 30 finished.

Mike (29:02.25)
Yeah, navigation, right? They have to do it.

Peggy (29:30.571)
So it's this insane thing. You gotta Google it. So we show up and I'm like, I've done an Iron Man, this can't be hard. my God. These guys, and then the second day they're doing another Red March and you're like, you can do it. And they've got like that, in the last two hours of your marathon of the Iron Man, you go in that place in your head.

Mike (29:30.883)
It's so cool.

Mike (29:56.472)
Yeah.

Peggy (29:56.607)
You can't make eye contact with anyone. don't swear to God if there's a curb, you're going to cry because you can't leave your feet in any other direction. Yeah, but they, mean, it is the most, so we watched that and I thought, God, were you that bad back then? I'm like, God dang, you were really good. Yeah, it is insane.

Mike (29:59.446)
Yeah, you're in the zone.

Mike (30:04.963)
Yeah.

Mike (30:18.331)
It's different mentality, right?

Lindsay (30:23.324)
That sounds like some David Goggins shit.

Mike (30:27.694)
Yeah, yeah, it is. It's 100 % that.

Peggy (30:28.107)
I don't even think David Goggins has done best ranger. I think he did. They gotta reach a door, then they gotta put the saw down and climb up a rope and throw a sand bath. This is just one 35 minute section of what they gotta do.

Lindsay (30:32.88)
I have no idea. It just sounds like some crap.

Mike (30:32.93)
Yeah.

Lindsay (30:40.025)
you

Lindsay (30:47.74)
That's crazy.

Mike (30:48.643)
I might have to interview Big Daddy. I might not call him Big Daddy, but I might have to interview him for our show. I think, think we need to little foreshadowing teaser for this podcast.

Peggy (30:52.479)
You know, you should interview Big Daddy. You should.

Lindsay (30:55.363)
That'd be awesome.

Lindsay (30:59.762)
And I was, I'll sit quietly by because I have really nothing to offer a ranger.

Peggy (31:00.779)
Who is Pink Dad?

Mike (31:04.056)
Yes.

Peggy (31:05.963)
It was kind of cool going back 25 years ago, you guys did this and now it's all sexy and they got TV crews and stuff. It's cool, it's a cool thing. I'm not even sure how we got on that topic, but anyway.

Lindsay (31:16.715)
huh.

Lindsay (31:24.006)
Who knows, who knows? We meander a little bit. In fact, one of the things I want to talk about next is that although the three of us are kind of, you know, less, we're a little lukewarm on triathlon right now, but still like to be active. We've talked about doing a relay. We would do a relay race triathlon in which Peggy would be our swimmer and

Mike (31:24.27)
pull -ups.

Lindsay (31:52.014)
I would ride and then Mike would run. Thank God. So what length of race are we going to do guys? Is this a full situation?

Mike (31:55.117)
You

Peggy (32:02.009)
you

Mike (32:05.41)
Good question.

Peggy (32:06.635)
go big or go home. mean, really, can simp two miles or can simp one mile, whatever. I'm done by 8 .42. Having a sandwich.

Mike (32:14.925)
Are we doing woodlands in Texas or are we coming to you Peggy? Are we doing woodlands?

Peggy (32:19.615)
we can do.

Lindsay (32:19.696)
Peggy (32:24.516)
or something colder or we could do we could do Oregon.

Peggy (32:32.98)
I think don't they have a full? We could do Louisville. Louisville's a fun one. And then we could do Wisconsin in the middle. Sacramento. Does that have a full?

Mike (32:33.539)
Yeah.

Lindsay (32:35.206)
They didn't.

Ooh, Wisconsin. Any takers for Wisconsin?

Mike (32:38.851)
Ooh.

Mike (32:44.642)
I do, Wisconsin.

Mm that's nice and flat.

Lindsay (32:48.786)
Yeah, no, no, it is. It's full. SACRA, the Ironman California and SAC is a full and why do I know this? Because I have an entry that I defer to 2025, which I probably won't do either. I don't think that they won't let me change. I looked at that because I was like, dang, I could get these guys, but who cares? It's sunk cost already. done. But here's what I was going to say.

Peggy (32:51.359)
Mm

Mm

Mike (32:58.904)
You

Peggy (33:03.803)
Maybe you it as a relay. I could come be all the suppressor there.

Mike (33:06.466)
Exactly we transfer it

Lindsay (33:18.776)
Ironman Wisconsin has always been on my bucket list because I have family members in Wisconsin, which is weird. And as a child, I would go up there for summers further north up on the peninsula, but it's supposed to be a really great course. And our, coach that Peggy and I shared, Jess, did really well when she went to Ironman Wisconsin years and years and years ago. And, she says it's a great race. And so I was thinking that that might be something that we could kill and it's in the

Mike (33:46.479)
Mm -hmm.

Peggy (33:46.751)
and I'm a die hard Green Bay Packer fan.

Lindsay (33:50.706)
All right. It's OK. I had one of those from my uncle had tickets to Lambeau, which he ended up selling. And my cousin was like, are you out of your mind, first of all, because it passed down generations. And then my uncle just straight up sold him. My cousin was like, so obviously you hate me. And I know, isn't that insane?

Mike (33:51.262)
it just makes sense.

Peggy (33:53.309)
All the way.

Mike (34:08.959)
my god.

Peggy (34:16.007)
know my family has been on the waiting list for season tickets. Or I mean it's generational. Like we should take him out and flog him because there are people that, yeah, no, I am stuck in it. It's really weird.

Mike (34:23.0)
Yeah.

Lindsay (34:23.043)
Right.

Mike (34:28.194)
That's like selling good hunting land without passing it down to your family. It's just like, oops.

Lindsay (34:29.467)
It cost of

Peggy (34:33.493)
Thank you.

Lindsay (34:35.634)
Now, okay, so we've picked our race. Now we just have to figure out when, and I could do 2025 if y 'all are down.

Peggy (34:45.867)
Hmm.

I can ask you question. What month do they normally have it?

Lindsay (34:51.963)
September.

Peggy (34:53.822)
perfect.

Mike (34:54.306)
Well, I'm not getting any younger either, so maybe next year's best.

Peggy (34:57.995)
55 am I gonna are you gonna be 55 Lindsay I'll be 55

Lindsay (34:59.397)
Okay.

Lindsay (35:02.834)
I will have turned 55 like a few weeks before.

Mike (35:08.494)
I won't be 55 yet.

Peggy (35:16.297)
You're even six, aren't you? Are you fifty? What are you?

Mike (35:19.31)
No, I'm 40 -41.

Lindsay (35:19.911)
No.

Lindsay (35:23.77)
Speechless.

Peggy (35:24.691)
whatever i don't even because i knew you only it's all right i'll get my walker she'll get her wheelchair and you didn't push it around

Mike (35:36.472)
Hey, I still remember the pre internet life when we had to go to the library and look things up and use rotary phones to call Blockbuster to see if they had the VHS tape that you wanted to rent for the weekend. So I'm part of that pre internet generation as well. I'm the tail end of Gen X.

Peggy (35:49.131)
All right, okay, you're back in the crisis.

Lindsay (35:53.018)
Okay, so at least you. are you still on a gen X? Wow.

Mike (35:58.304)
It's debatable. It's like it's kind of like the cashmere district. Like you're not sure which country it belongs to, but I'm part I could be Gen X or I could be millennial, depending on who you talk to.

Lindsay (36:08.752)
Yeah, because I think our friend that we talked about earlier is

Peggy (36:10.491)
You have a soul of a Gen Xer, but the mind of a millennial.

Mike (36:14.572)
Yeah.

Lindsay (36:18.738)
That's actually probably pretty accurate to come to think about it. You know, our friend who we talked about earlier in the podcast is the same age, maybe a year earlier, a year older, because she would have turned 42 in July and definitely considers herself a millennial. So I do think you're on that cusp. But yeah, you do have that that Gen X vibe.

Mike (36:32.156)
Mm

Mike (36:44.034)
Yeah.

Mike (36:48.366)
feel like it yeah my wife my wife I said hey guess what we're Millennials cuz we're one day apart and she goes no I am Gen X I'm not a millennial you

Peggy (36:58.475)
She's a good one.

Lindsay (36:58.587)
Well, the question is, are you somewhat feral? Because that's really what our generation is about. We were not coddled. We were not, you know, none of that stuff. Now.

Mike (37:08.856)
There were no play dates. It was just ride your bike through the neighborhoods endlessly.

Peggy (37:12.689)
home until the street lights are on.

Lindsay (37:14.45)
Yeah, get out. Get out of the house. That's 100%. Yeah, no play dates.

Mike (37:15.51)
Yeah. Yeah.

Peggy (37:22.483)
Now the kids are going, yeah, has too much lead in it and it just really does not do anything for me and it's affecting my environment. I need some sparkling water from the mountains of Epple.

Lindsay (37:30.194)
You

Lindsay (37:36.38)
All the Gen Xers that made it to adulthood, we just have lead coursing through our veins at this point. But it was a good life growing up. It was a good life. Well, I'm super excited. And I'm serious about doing the relay. So I will be organizing us. And what else, Mike? Do you have any other?

Mike (37:36.639)
my huge water bottle and snacks.

Mike (37:45.225)
Dude.

Peggy (37:51.389)
It's super fun. It was.

Peggy (37:59.668)
Okay.

Lindsay (38:04.924)
things you wanna ask Peggy, anything else you thought of you wanna talk about?

Mike (38:10.37)
I think we'll, I think we tease another episode out here. I want to talk a little bit more about maybe the pharmacy industry and your work with that and, and the crossover into mental health. and so I think, I think I want to go that direction cause I don't want to rush into that, but I'd love to hear a lot more about that from you, Peggy.

Peggy (38:37.398)
I'd love to talk about that. I think there are lot of misnomers. I've been in this industry a long time on different sides of the coin in this industry. Reimbursement, insurance, get if something's covered or not covered, which is a huge deal. Now coming into 2025, whatever.

Lindsay (38:40.05)
I think that's good.

Mike (38:42.641)
Mm

Lindsay (38:44.71)
Yeah.

Lindsay (38:50.919)
Yep.

Mike (38:53.086)
Mm

Lindsay (38:55.655)
Yeah.

Mike (38:55.788)
Yeah. Yeah.

Peggy (39:04.051)
Whatever entity stands at the top of that pole, there's going to be huge health care changes.

Mike (39:07.062)
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay (39:11.078)
Yeah, so we could do another whole episode of that. before we wrap up, think one of the things I think you guys have convinced me to try CrossFit as much as I hate strength training. I hate it. But I haven't been going to my gym and doing the things that I my spin classes, whatever. And I think it's just because I'm I'm bored, you know? And so but now I don't know how to figure out where there's a gym. I don't know,

Mike (39:23.948)
Yes.

Mike (39:32.803)
Yeah.

Lindsay (39:40.88)
what is it supposed to say CrossFit on the gym name or like, cause I kind of Googled it and I was like, all these gyms popped up, but none of them said that they were specifically CrossFit gyms. So I was like, what? I don't know what I'm doing.

Mike (39:55.886)
Lindsey, if you just put it out there on Facebook, hey, where's the nearest CrossFit gym to me? All the CrossFitters will come out of the woodwork and let you know within 10 minutes. In between kipping pull ups, they will get on their laptop and tell you.

Peggy (39:57.311)
You

Peggy (40:07.275)
I think you just have to find somewhere.

Lindsay (40:11.124)
my god.

Peggy (40:11.519)
where you feel comfortable. Yeah, go somewhere where you feel comfortable. When you walk in the room and there's like someone to greet you as kind and you know, just going with your heart open, your mind open. Don't push it. Don't go crazy. You know, I mean, I

Mike (40:22.445)
Mm

Lindsay (40:27.62)
Yeah, I got to find some place that can deal with a lot of bitching and whining because that's what's going to happen.

Mike (40:33.72)
Yeah, exactly. That's what I love. See CrossFit, just like any good cult. Yes, you are.

Peggy (40:33.983)
Yeah. Yeah. You are going to do a burpee. You will do. Yeah. You're going to do a lot of burpees. A burpee.

Lindsay (40:40.314)
A what? burpees? Ugh. Maybe I just.

Peggy (40:44.559)
They're horrible.

Mike (40:44.588)
You'll, you'll, you'll grow to love all of these things. And the best part about things like this, just like any good cult crossfit knows when people are vulnerable and burned out from other things in their life, like triathlon, and they say, yo, just come to us, try it out. And you show up.

Lindsay (40:55.225)
I

Lindsay (41:00.831)
All right, well.

Peggy (41:00.939)
Come on little girl, smell the flowers.

Lindsay (41:04.774)
You guys have been a gateway to a new drug, it probably sounds like. So I'm going to check it out. I'll put on my Facebook, like where is the CrossFit gym? I'm going to find one I like, and then I'm going to see what's up with it. Because outside of riding my bike, I'm kind of over the other things right now. And I need something new to energize my physical activity, because it's definitely a part of my

Peggy (41:12.255)
Okay.

Mike (41:25.195)
Mm

Lindsay (41:32.814)
mental health hygiene and when I get bored doing it then I'll blow it off and what I do in places I sit at my desk and I work longer you know and that is not how I get and stay balanced mentally you know so

Mike (41:49.902)
Exactly.

Peggy (41:50.665)
And as women our age, this is another thing too. like, you know, I kind of got to a little bit of osteoporosis because of chemotherapy, right? And so I'm like, woo, freaked out by that. And so we need, we need muscle in our hips and our backs and our shoulders. We need grip strength and I need foot strength and you get that, you know, you don't want to.

Mike (42:03.458)
Yeah, you want that.

Peggy (42:19.283)
I have a really good friend of mine who fell. She's not a fitness person. Actually, she said to me the other day, do you know the last time I actually drank a glass of water? I can't tell you. Like she's that girl. She fell walking across the whole deck and broke her hip and she's my wife. Actually a little younger. You need muscle to protect your body. Yep.

Mike (42:30.807)
my god.

Lindsay (42:31.012)
Jesus.

Mike (42:40.13)
Yeah, and bone density from lifting.

Lindsay (42:43.762)
Yeah, bone density. I've heard that. Well, you know, I tripped and fell a couple two years ago. Well, let's see. It was. Yeah, it was two years ago and just I didn't even fall. I just rolled my ankle and it broke my ankle and it was like an 18 month journey to even get surgery. And so I ended up having to have surgery. There's two pieces of hardware permanently in my ankle now.

It was literally wearing flat shoes, was wearing rothies. That's like wearing, that's like being barefoot. There's nothing there. They're flat. And, I was so shocked that how weak, you know, my ankle was to just break like that after just, all I did was just do a little roll off a curb, not anything major. something that I felt like in the past would not have done the damage that was done, by tripping. So,

I am interested in getting stronger and not being susceptible to a misstep taking me out for 18 months.

Mike (43:48.822)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, the functional strength.

Peggy (43:51.371)
I'm trying to get to the end strong and mentally, you know? And then like when I'm 90, I get hit by a bus and I'll be good.

Mike (43:55.917)
Mm

Mike (43:59.82)
Yeah.

Lindsay (43:59.886)
Right. My grandfather fell asleep and just died in his sleep.

Peggy (44:06.504)
I'll do that. I'm cool with that.

Lindsay (44:08.754)
Mm -hmm. Yep.

Peggy (44:10.828)
Walk to the light, peace out. I'm into that. Yeah. My 90s.

Mike (44:13.612)
Mm

Lindsay (44:14.012)
Just in a very gentle, yep, yep. So, Mikey, you're about to say something.

Mike (44:22.85)
think when I go out it's gonna be old man gets eaten by shark I want to go out with a bang

Lindsay (44:26.501)
my god. No thank you.

Peggy (44:29.215)
That's kinda cool though, y 'all. If I go out getting eaten by a shark, want it. I mean, don't actually technically want a headstone at all. I just want to be carried in and thrown in the ocean. But I would consider a headstone if I got bitten by a shark.

Mike (44:33.625)
you

Mike (44:44.3)
Yeah. Shark or like Legends of the Fall, like good old Brad Pitt fighting that bear at the end. I go down like that.

Peggy (44:51.229)
Yes Brad Pitt or what is it with was Brad Pitt in the other movie with Leonardo DiCaprio you want to go on like that like really

Mike (44:59.586)
We've done with the Revenant with the Caprio. Yeah.

Mike (45:06.227)
yeah, yeah.

Peggy (45:09.045)
Yeah,

Mike (45:10.69)
Yeah, sure beats beats the beats that then the way Elvis went out. So yeah, Peggy, it's so good. No. Yeah, don't go out like that'd be a good that'd be a good CrossFit gym t -shirt.

Peggy (45:18.736)
Yeah, don't go out like Elvis. That would be a great t -shirt. Don't go out like Elvis.

Lindsay (45:28.284)
Whew, sorry guys. It said your battery's running low and my laptop goes, your battery running low and then two seconds later it goes bink and just turns off. So apologize for jumping off the camera and stuff. Yep.

Peggy (45:40.787)
It's really bad.

Mike (45:42.746)
you're good. Well, it's about time to wrap it up as much as I love talking to Peggy and have you back on here.

Peggy (45:46.792)
Thank you.

Lindsay (45:48.56)
Yeah, I appreciate you coming, Peggy, and we'll have more conversations, know, pharmaceutical company. Yes.

Peggy (45:55.551)
We know about Wisconsin.

Mike (45:58.146)
Yes, yes.

Peggy (45:59.579)
I'd cool. I'd actually get back in the pool for that. I promise.

Lindsay (46:02.896)
Yeah. no, we're doing it. We're doing it. And I'm, I'm to be so strong on the bike from doing CrossFit. It's going to be crazy town. -huh. That's right. And Mike has a strength coach. Yeah. Okay.

Mike (46:11.313)
yes.

Peggy (46:12.519)
So strong in the water from doing CrossFit. Yeah.

Mike (46:17.474)
I guess I'll have to start doing CrossFit again. Yeah, after, or maybe I'll just work that into working with a good old Captain Steph Lincoln of Fire Team Whiskey Fitness. So we will see.

Peggy (46:30.901)
So before we go, Mike, you're doing Kona?

Mike (46:34.562)
That's coming up. It is. Yeah.

Peggy (46:36.519)
All right, I'm excited. I'm gonna track you. Yeah. Last time I had the great opportunity of going with core and working it, which, knock a lie to you, best way to do Kona is working it. know? Kona coffee, hanging out with the VIPs, yeah.

Mike (46:42.968)
Yeah, coming up.

Mike (46:49.196)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (46:54.008)
That's what I hear. That's what I hear. My favorite is like, yeah. Yeah. I think my favorite part tradition of race week is the, the, men and women not racing have the, thank God I'm not racing party. I think led by Bob Babbitt. Yeah.

Lindsay (46:54.178)
hahahaha

Peggy (47:12.489)
I did the beer mile. did the thank God I'm not racing party. I did the anywhere run.

Mike (47:18.358)
Yeah.

Peggy (47:21.961)
Yeah, I the best day of my life.

Mike (47:24.592)
yeah, it's pretty magical.

Peggy (47:25.907)
It was really pretty amazing. Best Kona ever. Professional. It really, it was for me just being there. And then my husband and I went last year just to hang out. And so I did, you know, ran a little, biked a little, swam a little, you know, but yeah, didn't go back. Bye, kid. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you.

Lindsay (47:29.33)
Wow.

Lindsay (47:33.851)
It was awesome.

Mike (47:45.678)
That's cool.

Lindsay (47:45.714)
Nice, nice.

Alright guys.

Lindsay (47:54.396)
Thanks for coming on, Peggy, and we will catch you next time, and everybody will see you next week. Bye.

Mike (47:54.678)
Yeah, thanks Peggy.

Peggy (48:05.717)
Bye sir, have a great.